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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*chuckles*  As I learned at Wheaton, I have no ability to read satire responsibly.  I always end up feeling sorry for the wrong people and typically, completely miss the point the story is trying to make.  Or I feel distressed on behalf of the abused, hopeless persons and want to change what happens.  Which is why I should never direct a book-to-movie about satire or I'd muck it up.  

I am, however, intrigued by the title changes.  

I'd never read a book called Bright Young Things.  And I'd be off put by a movie named Vile Bodies.  But switch them around, and it's win/win.  Oddly enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*chuckles*  As I learned at Wheaton, I have no ability to read satire responsibly.  I always end up feeling sorry for the wrong people and typically, completely miss the point the story is trying to make.  Or I feel distressed on behalf of the abused, hopeless persons and want to change what happens.  Which is why I should never direct a book-to-movie about satire or I&#8217;d muck it up.  </p>
<p>I am, however, intrigued by the title changes.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d never read a book called Bright Young Things.  And I&#8217;d be off put by a movie named Vile Bodies.  But switch them around, and it&#8217;s win/win.  Oddly enough.</p>
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		<title>By: theotter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Glad to have response from someone who has read the book--and from someone whose taste I trust! 

Great observations about satire--pretty much what I think, too. A Christian writer's compassion should extend to his or her characters, I think--at least usually. But characters in satire aren't really characters, I suppose--and satire can be written with compassion for readers, even if it's harsh. I think Twain is a great example of both sides of the satire line: ultimately loving satire in Huckleberry Finn, bitter satire in No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger--so bitter that it made me feel physically ill when I read it. 

My list of books I want to read is getting so long! Soon, soon . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Glad to have response from someone who has read the book&#8211;and from someone whose taste I trust! </p>
<p>Great observations about satire&#8211;pretty much what I think, too. A Christian writer&#8217;s compassion should extend to his or her characters, I think&#8211;at least usually. But characters in satire aren&#8217;t really characters, I suppose&#8211;and satire can be written with compassion for readers, even if it&#8217;s harsh. I think Twain is a great example of both sides of the satire line: ultimately loving satire in Huckleberry Finn, bitter satire in No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger&#8211;so bitter that it made me feel physically ill when I read it. </p>
<p>My list of books I want to read is getting so long! Soon, soon . . .</p>
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		<title>By: icelimbo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evelyn Waugh is one of the few 20th Century Catholic writers I haven't read much from, but the one thing I did read, last summer, was Vile Bodies, because I wanted to see the film (primarily because Fry directed it).  While I was housesitting for some friends in September, Bright Young Things was archived in their TiVo, so I finally got a chance to watch it.  I agree with your sentiments almost completely (David Tennant in a moustache doesn't evoke shock and horror), and, like you, I wondered why I was supposed to be caring about Fry's characters.  Bertie Wooster we care for because, beneath all the bungling, he's a decent chap who tries to do the right thing.  This is what's missing from Bright Young Things.  In fact, the only part of the movie that I felt really did work well was showing Agatha's foibles (like the party and morning after at 10 Downing) and downfall (the hospital room scenes are as good as the ghastly and raw prose Waugh writes of Agatha's final moments before going completely mad).  That, and Fry understands homosexuality, and homosexuality in British culture, better than Waugh does, as least in the terms that VB/BYT sets out.  The ending of BYT feels totally wrong, of course.  In the book, Adam ends up on a desolate battlefield, in the back of a car that can't go anywhere (the road has been blown up) with the guy to whom he gave the 1000 pounds (now a major in the army) and Chastity (one of the spiritual choir girls from the beginning).  The major is drunk and lecherous towards the girl and the girl giggles and let him approach her, and Adam closes his eyes as the bombs start falling all around them.  To call it bleak is a complete understatement.

I would also be interested in seeing if there are any writers nowadays who are Christians and write satire that ends so pointlessly.  On the one hand, it would be hard to write an ending that is so without hope if one is a Christian (I recall Lewis's quote about how Screwtape was the hardest thing he ever wrote because he had to get into the mindset of a character who had no hope).  On the other hand, a Christian should know of the world's true fallen nature in a more prescient way than most other people and be able to write about that in an honest, true way (Flannery O'Connor is always my favorite example of this).  And then from the third hand, such a book would never be published by an officially Christian press, and many churches would never want their congregants to read such a book.  If I were the writer of that kind of book, I'd actually avoid the Christian subculture completely.  Biting wit, of the Chesterton kind of even parts of the Twain kind, can be incorporated into a Christian faith and worldview.  When satire is about spurring people on to considering right and wrong, good and bad, then it can be useful.  But when satire is about bitterness and mocks for the fun of mocking, like the other parts of Twain, for example, then that's pretty difficult to incorporate into a Christian viewpoint.  Satire is such a fine line to walk anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if most Christians simply don't want to try.  But if you run across any that do try, let me know.  And let me know if you do read Vile Bodies.  It is a quick read, actually, and every so often Waugh has a killer observation on the society that he is satirizing.  It is certainly a grim kind of satire, but that's not a drawback in the context of characters who are so entirely a mix of hedonism and indifference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evelyn Waugh is one of the few 20th Century Catholic writers I haven&#8217;t read much from, but the one thing I did read, last summer, was Vile Bodies, because I wanted to see the film (primarily because Fry directed it).  While I was housesitting for some friends in September, Bright Young Things was archived in their TiVo, so I finally got a chance to watch it.  I agree with your sentiments almost completely (David Tennant in a moustache doesn&#8217;t evoke shock and horror), and, like you, I wondered why I was supposed to be caring about Fry&#8217;s characters.  Bertie Wooster we care for because, beneath all the bungling, he&#8217;s a decent chap who tries to do the right thing.  This is what&#8217;s missing from Bright Young Things.  In fact, the only part of the movie that I felt really did work well was showing Agatha&#8217;s foibles (like the party and morning after at 10 Downing) and downfall (the hospital room scenes are as good as the ghastly and raw prose Waugh writes of Agatha&#8217;s final moments before going completely mad).  That, and Fry understands homosexuality, and homosexuality in British culture, better than Waugh does, as least in the terms that VB/BYT sets out.  The ending of BYT feels totally wrong, of course.  In the book, Adam ends up on a desolate battlefield, in the back of a car that can&#8217;t go anywhere (the road has been blown up) with the guy to whom he gave the 1000 pounds (now a major in the army) and Chastity (one of the spiritual choir girls from the beginning).  The major is drunk and lecherous towards the girl and the girl giggles and let him approach her, and Adam closes his eyes as the bombs start falling all around them.  To call it bleak is a complete understatement.</p>
<p>I would also be interested in seeing if there are any writers nowadays who are Christians and write satire that ends so pointlessly.  On the one hand, it would be hard to write an ending that is so without hope if one is a Christian (I recall Lewis&#8217;s quote about how Screwtape was the hardest thing he ever wrote because he had to get into the mindset of a character who had no hope).  On the other hand, a Christian should know of the world&#8217;s true fallen nature in a more prescient way than most other people and be able to write about that in an honest, true way (Flannery O&#8217;Connor is always my favorite example of this).  And then from the third hand, such a book would never be published by an officially Christian press, and many churches would never want their congregants to read such a book.  If I were the writer of that kind of book, I&#8217;d actually avoid the Christian subculture completely.  Biting wit, of the Chesterton kind of even parts of the Twain kind, can be incorporated into a Christian faith and worldview.  When satire is about spurring people on to considering right and wrong, good and bad, then it can be useful.  But when satire is about bitterness and mocks for the fun of mocking, like the other parts of Twain, for example, then that&#8217;s pretty difficult to incorporate into a Christian viewpoint.  Satire is such a fine line to walk anyway, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if most Christians simply don&#8217;t want to try.  But if you run across any that do try, let me know.  And let me know if you do read Vile Bodies.  It is a quick read, actually, and every so often Waugh has a killer observation on the society that he is satirizing.  It is certainly a grim kind of satire, but that&#8217;s not a drawback in the context of characters who are so entirely a mix of hedonism and indifference.</p>
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